God

[floridaorange]

Re: God

i take care of my 83 year old grandmother everyday.
feeding, cleaning up after her. does that count as "helping"

another thing, i don't think "god" gave us feelings per se. i think humans experience emotions based on their own belief system and generally care for one another without having to submit to a "belief in a god"

I'm not trying to force feed anything by the way, but I do think we all miss out on understanding what we are here for when we don't help others (people we don't know) get through difficulties that we have experienced, and I think it these acts of love that can help answer tough questions about "God." That is all I am suggesting.

[lilsensa]

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i take care of my 83 year old grandmother everyday.
feeding, cleaning up after her. does that count as "helping"

Damn Jib, you are a better person than most..

I'm not sure I believe in God..I do believe in doing good and helping others...Expecting nothing, and just being the best human being that I can possibly be...That's what I believe in.

[Miguel]

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^^^ you must expect something at the end of it , dont you ?

[Jibgolly]

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I'm not trying to force feed anything by the way, but I do think we all miss out on understanding what we are here for when we don't help others (people we don't know) get through difficulties that we have experienced, and I think it these acts of love that can help answer tough questions about "God." That is all I am suggesting.

i totally understand your point. i'm only arguing for the sake of discussion.

[Huggie Smiles]

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It is my opinion that we feel deeply about certain topics on MS such as rape, child mollestation, child abuse (stories of strangers by the way) because we humans were designed in God's image and were purposely wired that way. Try this, everyone you know including you have been through something difficult/painful, well you could use those lessons you have learned by helping another human, maybe one without a family or terminally ill at a hospital. Your homework is to go help someone as discussed and report back as to your view on God and what you think are the possibilities are.


Lastly, If you (anyone reading this) are someone who thinks about mollesting children you need to get help because you are definitely sick.

but they were created in Gods image so God is a child molester, right?

[toasty]

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Depends upon how you define "God." I definitely do not believe in the version of God that envisions some supernatural being sitting on high, passing judgment on our actions and determining whether we go to heaven or hell when we die. I also think that 99% of organized religion is a complete farce. It always amazes me to see people that live horrible lives but think that spending 1 hour a week going through ritualistic BS excuses that. Ever go to church and watch people just totally go through the motions? Kneel here, mumble this, eat this and wash it down with grape juice, all cured. It's asinine.

With that said, I don't necessarily think that things in the universe are completely random. I guess I have a sense that there is some unseen force or energy that guides things, and that on some level, we have some control over our own situation. Ever notice how some people seem to have nothing but good fortune, while others seem to constantly be fighting adversity? I don't think that's the result of chance. To the extent that there's really no rational explanation for any of that, and that it's probably not rational for me to think of it, some people might equate that in a belief in a higher power. I'm not sure where I come down on that, honestly.

At the end of the day, though, I think that regardless of the source, many of the messages taught by the religions of the world -- love, respect, tolerance, doing unto others, etc. -- are worthwhile. The big difference for me is that I make an effort to make those principles a part of my day-to-day existence, not just something I do for an hour a week at a specific place.

My $.02

[88Mariner]

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^ if we use the biblical definition of 'know', in reference to the oft repeated phrase that "god 'knew' me before he created me".....there is a strong argument that our souls have been inappropriately touched without permission.

[picklemonkey]

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I think God's name is Chester

[Huggie Smiles]

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With that said, I don't necessarily think that things in the universe are completely random. I guess I have a sense that there is some unseen force or energy that guides things, and that on some level, we have some control over our own situation. Ever notice how some people seem to have nothing but good fortune, while others seem to constantly be fighting adversity? I don't think that's the result of chance. To the extent that there's really no rational explanation for any of that, and that it's probably not rational for me to think of it, some people might equate that in a belief in a higher power. I'm not sure where I come down on that, honestly.

Isnt that contradictory ??
- "on some level, we have some control over our own situation."
and
"Ever notice how some people seem to have nothing but good fortune, while others seem to constantly be fighting adversity? I don't think that's the result of chance."

If 'we' have control then it cant be "some unseen force or energy that guides things," doesnt it have to be one or the other?

just wondering - not trying to be an ass.
(I dont need to try)

[Kamal]

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I think God's name is Chester

... and he just got arrested in Nevada 3 days ago for appearing in a self made child porn video

my scientific side doesn't believe in God as an "entity" watching over us, waiting to pass judgment on us the day we die and reach his doorstep. What we do on this earth (good and evil) comes back to us in this very life and in itself becomes our heaven / hell. Short and sweet .... Karma is the result of your actions that eventually comes back to create the positive and negative "events" we life to face.

From where have we come? since we are here today, there must a supreme "creator" somewhere out there that we all call God but he is definitely not in any of the photos we have depicted him as, on this planet.

Perhaps a much much older civilization (perhaps millions of years older) with all its acquired technology and sciences has figured out a way to do "God-like" miracles, travel the zillions of light years of this universe like "angels" and are planting the seeds of life across inhabitable planets everywhere they can and move on, never looking back. Thereafter, evolution takes its course and life continues on.

As nick mentioned earlier on this thread, the world we live in is just one of the dimensions that maybe here because of an outstretched imaginative reason I mentioned above. There are so many other dimensions that we cannot even fathom to understand, each one of them having an even more far fetched reason for its existence.

I guess death in itself will eventually become your next birth where you'll probably learn so much more of why you were here, or why are you going where you are next.

[beanzncheez]

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"Feelings" were created by women to distort man's view. Think about it. What good is feeling depressed? Just don't do it. There's no reason to be like that so it is a waste of time.

[beanzncheez]

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I do believe in doing good and helping others...Expecting nothing, and just being the best human being that I can possibly be...That's what I believe in.

Try harder.

[toasty]

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Isnt that contradictory ??
- "on some level, we have some control over our own situation."
and
"Ever notice how some people seem to have nothing but good fortune, while others seem to constantly be fighting adversity? I don't think that's the result of chance."

If 'we' have control then it cant be "some unseen force or energy that guides things," doesnt it have to be one or the other?

just wondering - not trying to be an ass.
(I dont need to try)

Probably seems like it the way I described it. I guess the implication is that people either consciously or subconsciously tap into this force, such that we sort of of steer our own ship -- that's why I said "guide" as opposed to "control."

Point is, you rarely see people who are constantly negative about their situation getting the windfalls, and vice-versa. Sure, bad things happen to good people all the time, but in the aggregate, I do think that our outlook and actions can have a way of drawing like things towards us. Maybe it's as simple as our perspective altering what we view as "good" or "bad." Who knows, certainly not me.

[lilsensa]

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^^^ you must expect something at the end of it , dont you ?

Not really...Ask anyone I know, and they will tell you that I have never asked anything in return from them...Not that you would know anyone I know personally, but...

Try harder.

No!

[Miguel]

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life for sure is harder for some than others, but all in all, we are here to learn. although i think nowadays we rather be entertained