God

[hansh20]

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i would like to see everyone that just said "i dont believe in God" say it, and what i mean with say it, is denying it inside a church, synagogue or any other sacred place, i can almost bet you wouldnt do it because of that small question that pops into your head every time you say/think about it. "what if he really exists?", like someone said before, it must be lack of faith or i guess it could be that you deny it because you ask for some miracle and "He" didnt do it, so in response you chose not to believe. I consider myself a rational person and i rarely beleive in not science based facts but because of that i see really egoistic the theory that we are the highest beings around here. IMO

[asdf_admin]

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I love God and He loves me.

[picklemonkey]

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what if Your afterlife is what You imagine it to be, or believe it to be? that simple...or complex.

The power of the imagination is under-estimated.

why do religious people need to use their imagination to believe in their religion?

[picklemonkey]

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i would like to see everyone that just said "i dont believe in God" say it, and what i mean with say it, is denying it inside a church, synagogue or any other sacred place, i can almost bet you wouldnt do it because of that small question that pops into your head every time you say/think about it. "what if he really exists?", like someone said before, it must be lack of faith or i guess it could be that you deny it because you ask for some miracle and "He" didnt do it, so in response you chose not to believe. I consider myself a rational person and i rarely beleive in not science based facts but because of that i see really egoistic the theory that we are the highest beings around here. IMO

you wouldn't find me walking into a church and denying it to a pastor. I have no reason to 'prove' to my disbelief to him, and if I did try I'm sure he'd do nothing but try to convert me to his religion

[88Mariner]

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the term atheism is interesting in itself, as all it indicates is the lack of belief in supernatural dieties. i think its intersting that atheists walk around literally describing themselves in the negative.

nobody walks around and says "i'm a non-racist" or a "non-republican" or a "non-cubs fan". i think the term should not be used anymore, tbqh. it's not something to be expressed, but rather lived. it would be better of if we non-believers stopped using the term altogher as it prevents the religious to intellectually spar on ideas and theories, as opposed to say, "oh you're an atheist? well anything you utter cannot, by fact, be true."

[rainman]

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^^ i agree totally. i have never used the term atheist to describe my beliefs. i simply choose not to believe and feel that anyone labelled as an atheist is looked down upon and viewed in a negative light. not believing in any form of religion doesn't mean anything other than i choose to find my own source of information and use this regarding pretty much every aspect of my life.

quite simply, i find it hard to listen to someone who tells me i am going to hell for not believing the same idealogical beliefs that __________ (insert religion here) follows, and at the same time ask me to give money to the church as well as ask me to change my beliefs so that i can then force them down everyone else's throats. nah, not into it.

[hansh20]

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you wouldn't find me walking into a church and denying it to a pastor. I have no reason to 'prove' to my disbelief to him, and if I did try I'm sure he'd do nothing but try to convert me to his religion

i think i never said the word pastor, i only said "walk into a sacred place", IMO the people whos sure about their beliefs dont need to talk or make a discussion out of it, they just know there is nothing else out there and have nothing to prove.

[hansh20]

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you wouldn't find me walking into a church and denying it to a pastor. I have no reason to 'prove' to my disbelief to him, and if I did try I'm sure he'd do nothing but try to convert me to his religion

i think i never even mention the word pastor, i said "walk into a sacred place", IMO the people whos sure about their beliefs dont need to talk or make a discussion out of it, they just know there is nothing else out there and has nothing to prove.

[88Mariner]

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^ Disagreed: to say that is probably a disservice to society in general. In essence, if you know what you believe, shut up about it. This, of course, does not produce the change in the world. Martin Luther King was not quiet, despite his beliefs. I get the feeling you expect some people to just sit idly by and watch as a majority tyranizes the rights of the minority. If so, I'll have to disrespectfully disagree with you on that.

[hansh20]

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^ Disagreed: to say that is probably a disservice to society in general. In essence, if you know what you believe, shut up about it. This, of course, does not produce the change in the world. Martin Luther King was not quiet, despite his beliefs. I get the feeling you expect some people to just sit idly by and watch as a majority tyranizes the rights of the minority. If so, I'll have to disrespectfully disagree with you on that.

Martin Luther King talked about human rights, here we're talking about "the not existence of a higher being", i do not see what this think has to do with the "majority tyranizes the rights of the minority-thing", one thing is believing in God and another way much diferent is to practice a religion, besides we are not changing the world with a topic that has been discussed since the begining of human kind.

[hansh20]

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double posted, sorry im surfing through a proxy unblocker... im off for today

[88Mariner]

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Martin Luther King talked about human rights, here we're talking about "the not existence of a higher being", i do not see what this think has to do with the "majority tyranizes the rights of the minority-thing", one thing is believing in God and another way much diferent is to practice a religion, besides we are not changing the world with a topic that has been discussed since the begining of human kind.

most atheist talk and discuss these things because they see that our ex-republic-come-democracy is turning into a theocracy. and they see the consequences of religious doctrine mating with political power.

[picklemonkey]

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^^ i agree totally. i have never used the term atheist to describe my beliefs. i simply choose not to believe and feel that anyone labelled as an atheist is looked down upon and viewed in a negative light. not believing in any form of religion doesn't mean anything other than i choose to find my own source of information and use this regarding pretty much every aspect of my life.

quite simply, i find it hard to listen to someone who tells me i am going to hell for not believing the same idealogical beliefs that __________ (insert religion here) follows, and at the same time ask me to give money to the church as well as ask me to change my beliefs so that i can then force them down everyone else's throats. nah, not into it.

I was the same way for a while but I don't see the point in keeping quiet about your beliefs when someone asks you just because you think they'll look down on you. once I realized I was near ashamed to tell people I didn't believe in God I realized that it was because they made me feel ashamed because I didn't believe in their beliefs. that's not something to be ashamed of

[AntonyM]

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Let's us.......
Pray

[rainman]

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I was the same way for a while but I don't see the point in keeping quiet about your beliefs when someone asks you just because you think they'll look down on you. once I realized I was near ashamed to tell people I didn't believe in God I realized that it was because they made me feel ashamed because I didn't believe in their beliefs. that's not something to be ashamed of

not ashamed, simply don't like being judged or having people look down their nose at me. my opinion is if they can't show the same respect that i give them for not following the same belief then fuck'em.

it's not that i keep quiet regarding my beliefs, it's the simple fact of the majority of people that i have these types of conversations with are usually people that either work with me or for me. in business, i have learned that it's best not to have conversations about religion or politics. (they never end well)