al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

[chloe harris]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

if the term 'global warming' kicks people, the regular annoying joes that plague this earth, to think twice about the earth and what they do on it, then the term is fucking working whether ya'll want to argue over whether it exists or not.

[shosh]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

brb reading

[Aleks_B]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

thnx day_for_night! i just didn't have the patience last night! LOLOL

[runningman]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

It is unbelievable how aggressive you get Day for Night when you couldn't be more wrong.

http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/1997/11.06/BrighteningSuni.html

Global warming and cooling have to do with the sun and sun spots. You really should educate yourself on all the information out there not just Al Gore info.

Also most "top" meteorologist and researchers are getting money from the federal government to "fight" global warming. So they have to say it is man made.

The sun is not a Bunsen burner with a constant flame. It is a nasty fireball with crazy explosions causing solar winds.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SH4CA7tHmKI[/youtube]

Now I am not for polluting the earth.

[chloe harris]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

please show me where you have the stats that federal gov gives researchers and scientists money to say there is global warming.

also, why would our gov cabinet, george bush et all, pretend its not around for so many years and then change to now say there is global warming. why is our gov confusing us by paying people to say there is, when our president says there isn't. god im so confused!!! and gullible!!!

maybe you should stop reading all the republican white man info site because there is a lot of info out there and you would be just stupid to think all you read is true. if all i read isn't true than surely someone has pulled a quick one past you folks.

[WaveSculptor]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

Nice to see the topic brought back up. It's disappointing that we almost never see constructive dialogue surrounding this issue because it's so politically polarized. IMO the best way to really start discussing is to acknowledge that although we each have personal beliefs about climate change, the complete system of variation triggers and feedback mechanisms is intricate, and still not fully understood.

With that said, I'll try to summarize what I know about a few key relationships. Climate determines what the average weather will be over time. Weather is essentially a series of interconnected systems whose function is to distribute surplus energy from equatorial to polar regions. These include precipitation, air temperature, prevailing wind and oceanic currents, and are affected by a wide variety of conditions including solar luminosity, orbital variations, the earth's reflectivity index (albedo), atmospheric concentrations of greenhouse gases, oceanic salinity, volcanism and plate tectonics, to name a few.

The cycle that most closely corresponds with Earth's alternating ice ages and warming phases is the ongoing fluctuation between circular and elliptical solar orbits. This discovery was credited to Serbian engineer Milutin Milankovic [1879-1958], who correctly calculated that a cycle is completed about once every hundred thousand years. When a greater portion of the Earth is covered in ice, it's albedo (reflectivity, not planetary sex drive) is higher and more sunlight is reflected into space, resulting in an additional cooling effect. This is one simple example of a positive feedback loop.

Sunspot activity goes through alternating periods that vary in length but average 11 years. Even during times of high activity the solar output only increases by about a tenth of one percent. The reason these phenomena are of such interest and concern to astronomers is their association with extraordinary magnetic field conditions that produce solar flares and coronal mass ejections that could be devastating to communications technology and potentially harmful to life on Earth.

Another solar phenomenon that factors into climate change is the Sun's consumption of different nuclear fuel over the course of it's life. As stars move along the main sequence, they eventually fuse all of their hydrogen fuel into more complex atoms. The star then begins to fuse Helium and other heavier elements together in order to continue burning. This effect produces a gradual increase in both temperature and luminosity, so gradual that its impact over the course of human history would be virtually undetectable, but undeniably significant over a long enough timeline.

Whew, I'm going to take a break here even though I haven't gotten to the Earth's climate system yet... will pick up where I left off a lil later.

[runningman]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

Jesus Chloe. Your claws are sharp when we talk about Obama and the environment eh??

Ok so who is to gain when discussing 'Man Made Global Warming?"

Does Al Gore make money?

How much electricity does Al Gores house use?

You see I don't want to just give you the answers. When someone accuses me of listening to what was it "republican white man info site"(which is a prejudice comment) and repeatedly calls me stupid because I clearly know more then her. I don't want to just give you the answers. Live in your green bubble. Let the government control the AC and heat in your house

With you at the wheel people will feel guilty for taking a shit and flushing the toilet.

[DIDI]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

Jesus Chloe. Your claws are sharp when we talk about Obama and the environment eh??

Ok so who is to gain when discussing 'Man Made Global Warming?"

Does Al Gore make money?

How much electricity does Al Gores house use?

You see I don't want to just give you the answers. When someone accuses me of listening to what was it "republican white man info site"(which is a prejudice comment) and repeatedly calls me stupid because I clearly know more then her. I don't want to just give you the answers. Live in your green bubble. Let the government control the AC and heat in your house

With you at the wheel people will feel guilty for taking a shit and flushing the toilet.

Al Gore is carbon neutral . Do your own research. You know more that Chloe,????? Well for starters you would have to take your blinkers off before you get anywhere Chloe's knowledge.

[chloe harris]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

Jesus Chloe. Your claws are sharp when we talk about Obama and the environment eh??

Ok so who is to gain when discussing 'Man Made Global Warming?"

Does Al Gore make money?

How much electricity does Al Gores house use?

You see I don't want to just give you the answers. When someone accuses me of listening to what was it "republican white man info site"(which is a prejudice comment) and repeatedly calls me stupid because I clearly know more then her. I don't want to just give you the answers. Live in your green bubble. Let the government control the AC and heat in your house

With you at the wheel people will feel guilty for taking a shit and flushing the toilet.

see honeslty you are just the sort of person i try to avoid in daily life. someone who can't delve deeper into any subject other than the rhetoric you were taught by your comrades. its pretty sad really.

i believe in climate change. i believe we have the chance to change it, but people like you who sit around with your teeter totter logic are going to be the ones who make it bad for all of us.

open your mind rather than being so offish. you may learn something.

[chloe harris]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

Al Gore is carbon neutral . Do your own research. You know more that Chloe,????? Well for starters you would have to take your blinkers off before you get anywhere Chloe's knowledge.

bummerr

[DIDI]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

bummerr

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[chloe harris]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

thought i'd actually answer this.

Jesus Chloe. Your claws are sharp when we talk about Obama and the environment eh??

where did i say anything about obama and the environment. it looks to me i am speaking about regular people learning about climate change, and how our government is confusing us by paying scientists to just say there is such thing, while our president george bush says there isn't.

Ok so who is to gain when discussing 'Man Made Global Warming?"

i think, as you should also, its a combination of humans and how we destroy the planet, which exacerbates the environmental changes that will already be happening. for anyone to think its just the planet or just humans causing the problem, they are wrongly educated. its everything. the issue is that we us humans have the ability to learn, change, stop, and create new methods of power, etc which the planet can not do on its own.

Does Al Gore make money?

this is a pointless argumentative point which has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

How much electricity does Al Gores house use?

and again, this is a pointless argumentative point which has nothing to do with what we are talking about.

You see I don't want to just give you the answers. When someone accuses me of listening to what was it "republican white man info site"(which is a prejudice comment) and repeatedly calls me stupid because I clearly know more then her. I don't want to just give you the answers. Live in your green bubble. Let the government control the AC and heat in your house

With you at the wheel people will feel guilty for taking a shit and flushing the toilet.

you seem to think that i am some hardcore environmentalist who makes people feel guilty for things they don't do, and i guess you must feel guilty because you brought it up. i'm not a hardcore evn. person. i was when i was 16 and vegan. i just want my kids to see polar bears, in the pole.... not at a zoo.

i didn't call you stupid. i can call you blind tbf. its not prejudice to make fun of someone who spouts off republican gargon like its the bible. you do it. you do it most often. it just makes me and probably a lot of other people wonder if you have your own views. some of us, like me, don't have the most popular views but we are here sticking up for them because it just may make someone think differently.

[DIDI]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

^^ Well said and very logical !!

[FM]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

2 snowstorms in 3 days...roughly 12" total and more in other spots here on the East Coast.

Winter started today too.

[day_for_night]

Re: al gore, tree huggers, and global warming bullshit believers

It is unbelievable how aggressive you get Day for Night when you couldn't be more wrong.

http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/1997/11.06/BrighteningSuni.html

Global warming and cooling have to do with the sun and sun spots. You really should educate yourself on all the information out there not just Al Gore info.

Also most "top" meteorologist and researchers are getting money from the federal government to "fight" global warming. So they have to say it is man made.

The sun is not a Bunsen burner with a constant flame. It is a nasty fireball with crazy explosions causing solar winds.

[youtube]SH4CA7tHmKI[/youtube]

Now I am not for polluting the earth.

umm i'll be aggresive as i please with you, cause frankly...you're borderline retarded. you aren't worth the time and effort it takes to come up with a constructive response, because when someone presents you (or shosh) with a well-thought out argument with some science to back it up you come back with bogus crap like that video, or baseless staments to try and prop up your silly ideas.

having said that, a constructive response...


if you want to list things that affect global warming and cooling...i can list several:

- continental placement
- mountain ranges and their placement
- the earth's overall albedo (a measure of reflectivity)
- volcanic activity
- the axial tilt of the earth**
- the orbit of the earth**

**every bit as important as solar output

to say that solar output have to do with solar output alone is DUMB. end of. there are a myriad of things that affect our climate. the important thing to note here is that the rate of change in the temperatures does not correspond to what we see in the long term trend of temperatures (discounting catastrophic events such as comets smashing into the earth). things are chaning too fast for it to be natural, based upon what we know natural temperature variations to appear like (as measured by things like isotopes of oxygen in rocks, and by core samples in ice).

and that video that you posted is absolute GARBAGE. in it, it says there is no scientific evidence for global warming. umm hello...most of the scientific community world-wide believes its happening, and there is paper after paper documenting various pieces of evidence that all point in the direction of man-made global warming. i posted names of several highly regarded scientists on the 1st page of this thread. go dig up some papers and educate yourself, cause trust me, you are the one who needs it.... i have 'done my research'. i've been educated by people with multiple phd's in this field. can you top that?