Vegetarian Alliance

[DIDI]

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Well personally, I'm on the white peach pedestal at the moment. They taste soooo gooood!!!

[Localizer]

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i'm on the lobster tail with butter and scalloped potatoes pedestal and the poutine with tobasco sauce pedestal.

[DancingQueen]

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^^^^ mmm that sounds good, lol

thats the kind of ridiculous comment that someone being vegetarian hears all too often

How is it a ridiculous comment? We were talking about food, I said I like meat, and I thought about a steak...I didn't tell a vegetarian to eat a steak.

I have nothing against people that choose to not eat meat....2 of my closest friends are vegetarians.

[Haziel]

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Lol nah man. That is incorrect. We do have enzymes that break down meat and they do a good job of it. Pepsin in the stomach. Carboxypeptidase and many other specialized protein enzymes in the duodenum. The awkward part that you didn't mention is why we can't break down cellulose from certain vegetables/plants.

Furthermore, you miss out on the fact that we do have canines which are used for tearing.

Great biochemistry is one of my fav. subjects but i guess if we go deep into it it would bore the heck out of evreybody here , i'll pm you on this.

But just to make a simple example we lack many enzymes one of them would be lactase which is by far as everybody knows 80 % deficit world wide meaning that 80% of the humans on planet earth are lactose intolerant and many don't even know it , we actually do know it when it hits us very hard .

4 teeth out of 32 uhmmm..... I suggest you to go ahead and read about canine relation, disoclussion and propioceptive system ,3 of the most important functions of the canines . not just tearing as you mentioned .


by the way no comment on the video earthlings i posted on my previous post ?? the truth nobody want to see .

here it is again

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6361872964130308142&ei=aASKSYKGAY3I-gHit5DDDw&q=earthlings+english+phoenix

[feather]

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So how did we start eating meat if our bodies are natually indisposed toward it? How did we get to where we are now?

[Haziel]

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Did you think prehistoric men had any idea about the evils of meat? We'd have eaten off the land and our bodies would've either killed us because we're not meant to eat meat, or our bodies naturally digested the food, or we've adapted through trial and error and evolution, and we still came out eating meat, and vege.

you said it yourself prehistoric ,we have survived eating meat the same way man survived way before learning how to make spears , knives and hunt for their food ,

How did humans manage to survive that long with out eating meat????

[Localizer]

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Great biochemistry is one of my fav. subjects but i guess if we go deep into it it would bore the heck out of evreybody here , i'll pm you on this.

But just to make a simple example we lack many enzymes one of them would be lactase which is by far as everybody knows 80 % deficit world wide meaning that 80% of the humans on planet earth are lactose intolerant and many don't even know it , we actually do know it when it hits us very hard .

Dairy eh. Lactase is wild type in youth and then downregulated. But through evolution, upregulation of transcription i'm sure will occur over the generations. i'm lucky enough that i'm not lactose intolerant. The real question pertaining to lactose intolerance would be: do other countries around the world push dairy products like the US does and when was the inception/growth of dairy products.

4 teeth out of 32 uhmmm..... I suggest you to go ahead and read about canine relation, disoclussion and propioceptive system ,3 of the most important functions of the canines . not just tearing as you mentioned .

4 teeth is still quite a bit. in fact, the incisors are even found in carnivores, further implication that canine along with incisors serve a dual purpose. evolution of food--the fact that we can cook our own food--probably shaped the way our mouth is, which is one of the reasons why we may no longer be needing our wisdom teeth. Anyway, this will be a constant debate.

by the way no comment on the video earthlings i posted on my previous post ?? the truth nobody want to see .

here it is again

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...nglish+phoenix

shock factor won't deter me from eating. there are things i disagree with in there especially clothing for animals, but seasoned meat still tastes good and i'll continue to eat it.

[feather]

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you said it yourself prehistoric ,we have survived eating meat the same way man survived way before learning how to make spears , knives and hunt for their food ,

How did humans manage to survive that long with out eating meat????

So you're suggesting what, cave men were vegetarians? Then they discovered spears and went hunting for meat? Err wtf.

It still doesn't address the fact that at some point far in the past, someone decided to eat meat, and it agreed with his body enough that he ate more meat, and through the eons, we've continued eating meat.

So at some point, we must've had a template that is predisposed towards meat, otherwise it would be logical that the first couple of bites of meat would've killed off those idiots and we'd have learnt through trial and error that meat is a no-no, no?

[chanty]

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by the way no comment on the video earthlings i posted on my previous post ?? the truth nobody want to see .

here it is again

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...nglish+phoenix

Well I for one will absolutely not watch that video. Don't need to be reminded and get upset all over again. Trust me, I've tortured myself enough with this subject.

[Aleks_B]

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I like your list of reasons, floridaorange!

thats a good start!

[Haziel]

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4 teeth is still quite a bit. in fact, the incisors are even found in carnivores, further implication that canine along with incisors serve a dual purpose. evolution of food--the fact that we can cook our own food--probably shaped the way our mouth is, which is one of the reasons why we may no longer be needing our wisdom teeth. Anyway, this will be a constant debate.

shock factor won't deter me from eating. there are things i disagree with in there especially clothing for animals, but seasoned meat still tastes good and i'll continue to eat it.

We have a different articulation called the TMJ far different from the carnivores, thats why the canine has a far more important function than just tearing food.

I was just refering to our similarity of our teeth to the ones Non carnivourous animals have, they are more alike, hey we can use our teeth for many other things , I use my premolars to open beer bottles, are they for that? no! but they fucking do the job explendid ly

And yes humans are getting rid of teeth, before we use to have even a 5 molar

The video was just to show somethings people don't realize what goes on with the food industry and our misttreatment with animals,it does give us a better understanding on how brutal the food industry is.

[Haziel]

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So you're suggesting what, cave men were vegetarians? Then they discovered spears and went hunting for meat? Err wtf.

It still doesn't address the fact that at some point far in the past, someone decided to eat meat, and it agreed with his body enough that he ate more meat, and through the eons, we've continued eating meat.

So at some point, we must've had a template that is predisposed towards meat, otherwise it would be logical that the first couple of bites of meat would've killed off those idiots and we'd have learnt through trial and error that meat is a no-no, no?

Caveman vegetarians Yep just think about it for a bit , also recommending the the first 12 minutes of 2001 space odyssey and darwin's ON THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES.



Drugs alcohol etc don't agree with the body but heck we are still alive aren't we , Like i said before there are tons of idiopathic diseases that are pointing towards the consumption of meat .


Anywayss i'm done here

nice to see some veggies on MS

Cheers to all

[feather]

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True, our bodies have high tolerance to a lot of the shit we do to it, but drugs and alcohol are hardly stuff you find in a jungle, that's stuff created through processes, so it's not the same comparison. That's more like my saying the processed food we eat is gonna fuck us up one day.

All those idiopathic diseases, is meat linked to them because of the meat, or because of the way the meat has been treated? Maybe 10 years later you have a bunch of diseases linked to vege because of all the shit done to them.

And 2001 is not going to explain how the first man ate some meat and decided he likd it enough to keep eating it, and it hasn't killed off the race.

You do realise it's kinda hilarious you using the film or asking us to watch the first 12 mins of it when the rest of the film features a psychotic robot and a trip to Jupiter.

Though I haven't read Darwin, so maybe he does say something about us being vegetarian and meat will be the end of all mankind. I'll take your word for it