you know what's astonishing?

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Both Bush and Obama have used the line "we will not tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories" in the past but surely allowing them to continue is tolerating them.

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Alex Jones I wouldn't doubt is working for the FBI. Just like white supremecist Hal Turner was. Just part of the propaganda machine..

[chunky]

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I don't know if you have seen this film but its quite interesting

9/11 - Press For Truth

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481

Released September 8th; a video from the families who fought to create The 9/11 Comission -- and succeeded Headline: LA Weekly reported Mahmmud Ahmed (Top ISI Official) ordered the transfer of funds from Pakistani banks to Florida, where it was picked up and distributed by Mohammed Atta to the 9/11 hijackers via money orders throughout the United States to sponsor the attacks. This documentary presents the many-faceted events that led up to, and then scrutinizes, the 9/11 Comission hearings. Massive injustices and mis-representations are brought to light and "exposed" by respected members of the mainstream American media, and from the families themselves in the narrative of events that shaped most greatly our world today; "9/11: Press for Truth" The families present their 2 1/2 year struggle to create an investigation and inquiry into the events of 9/11 -- which was at first heavily resisted and even explicity prohibited by the President and Vice-President. For an example of contrast in funding; the internal disruption of a Clinton-Lewisnki "sex scandal" the event was awarded a budget of 100 million dollars in total. Initially the 9/11 Comission was only alotted 3 million dollars and their time-limit was severly cut beyond the expecations of those who brought it into existence

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ya I have seen it. The families want the truth more than anybody.

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While the Bush administration allow the so called terrorists escape from Pakistan.

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I find it funny how Osama to this day still (according to the FBI's most wanted list) hasn't been charged with the 9/11 attacks. It doesn't even mention 9/11 on the sheet.

http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten/fugitives/laden.htm

Maybe it is a typo eh Slava?

[chunky]

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Asch Conformity Experiment

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My associate actually is a structural engineer and worked with Martin Marietta for 12 years (now lockheed). He now is the president of his own Structural Engineering Firm.

I'm actually sitting with him now discussing 9/11 and the buildings and the way they fell etc.

He's never heard any structural engineers that he knows (and he knows quiet a few), including his former employee who was a structural PHD from New York, that have agreed with any of the conspiracy theories.

Additionally he mentioned that "the heat retardant in the Towers to protect the steel was not adequate to withstand the heat."

I think it's important that anyone who believes in these allegations that the buildings were controlled demolitions and not caused by the planes hitting them to sit down for an hour with a reputable Structural Engineer and then come back to MS and post their findings.

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did you ask him about building 7?

Also no name and title is kind of sketchy. Have him watch the Jeff King presentation and ask him to refute it. The MIT engineer.

Ask him if there should have been resistance from each floor on the way down? Why wasn't there?
Ask him if he was aware of any other building on record that imploded because of fire.

[chunky]

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My associate actually is a structural engineer and worked with Martin Marietta for 12 years (now lockheed). He now is the president of his own Structural Engineering Firm.

I'm actually sitting with him now discussing 9/11 and the buildings and the way they fell etc.

He's never heard any structural engineers that he knows (and he knows quiet a few), including his former employee who was a structural PHD from New York, that have agreed with any of the conspiracy theories.

He's never heard any structural engineers that he knows, sounds like he needs to get out more. Did he explain to you why they where never able to recreate the melted structure in the furnaces. Or how the collapses defied the laws of physics. What did you say your associates name was?

Lets not forget it was only 1 man who questioned what was going one in abu ghraib, everyone else towed the line and didn't question anything. Was that one man wrong? A lot of his colleagues and superiors thought so. I think NO.

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he is a lockheed guy he would probably prefer to stay anonymous.

How about Robert Merceau? 40 years on the job, PHD in Structural Engineering Science. Made numerous high rises. Is that credible?

http://www.ae911truth.org/info/88

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Additionally he mentioned that "the heat retardant in the Towers to protect the steel was not adequate to withstand the heat."

Sound's like the fold up wings again to me.

[chunky]

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What does a structural engineer do at lockheed. Lockheed tend to like blowing things up.

[chunky]

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I think it's important that anyone who believes in these allegations that the buildings were controlled demolitions and not caused by the planes hitting them to sit down for an hour with a reputable Structural Engineer and then come back to MS and post their findings.

I think it's important that anyone who believes in these allegations that the buildings were controlled demolitions and not caused by the planes hitting them to ask the American Government to have a proper public investigation, looking at all the facts, getting all relevant people interviewed on oath, looking at all the evidence, with 100% transparency. then come back to MS and post their findings

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hey chunky have you seen Zero - 9/11. That is the best one I have seen yet. Here you go guys Nobel PRIZE winning commentators. Miro your gonna like this one they talk about the fold up wings..

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