New Pink Floyd Album - The Endless River

[Jenks]

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Don't mean to get off topic... I have yet to find a single digital music file that compares in quality to an original CD.

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How do you think music gets on an "original CD" (funny term in itself)....it's recorded from a digital file. You've either got crappy versions of digital files, or your ears have dirt in them...probably not a lot of dirt, but ya know, enough to muffle your audio judgement. Q-tips?

I get that some people like the packaging, want to read liner notes, want to have a physical piece for a collection- it's not for me, but I understand that logic, but I can't even entertain the idea that "compact discs are of higher audio quality" than the files that are used to make them in the first place. lol.

[res0nat0r]

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[res0nat0r]

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Also music from CD's is technically sampled from analog, thus taking parts of the original waveform and approximating them. But all of this is done higher than the human ear can hear so it technically doesn't make a difference. The 44.1kHz sampling rate is actually a pretty cool story related to the Nyquist Theroem:

Firstly, because the hearing range of human ears is roughly 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz, and via the Nyquist–Shannon sampling theorem the sampling frequency must be greater than twice the maximum frequency one wishes to reproduce, the sampling rate therefore had to be greater than 40 kHz.

In addition to this, signals must be low-pass filtered before sampling, otherwise aliasing occurs, and, while an ideal low-pass filter would perfectly pass frequencies below 20 kHz (without attenuating them) and perfectly cut off frequencies above 20 kHz, in practice a transition band is necessary, where frequencies are partly attenuated. The wider this transition band is, the easier and more economical it is to make an anti-aliasing filter. The 44.1 kHz sampling frequency allows for a 2.05 kHz transition band.

Also there are file formats out there that are exact reproductions of CD data. WAV and FLAC are both lossless for example and are exactly the same data as on the disc.

[KiwiTollway]

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^^ hmmm, interesting info & opinions. thanks

I have ruptured my eardrums more than once, so ya... there's that Jenks

There are times when music is preferred streaming through my earphones & other times when I like the room filled with it (like for creativity) and, of course, either way wanting to hear it in it's entirety so that my being (human as it is) is somehow "moved," which for me is mostly through earphones ............ was just saying for convenience sake, CD sound is preferred in my somewhat limited scope/experience to fill a room or car, digital (mp3, wav, flac) to fill my ears, not that I prefer CD for it's cool packaging, although, there is something to that I admit.

Being a female, if a song resonates with me, it's on repeat, repeat, repeat, meditated on for at least a day or so........ wish SC had a button so a song could be constantly replayed. Any format would do well with women if it had an endless repeat loop available so we didn't have to keep pressing a button to repeat it. [more a comment for the SC/mixcloud thread, I know.]

Love that clip of the Endless River !! will prob have to buy that CD!

[diegoff]

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Also music from CD's is technically sampled from analog, thus taking parts of the original waveform and approximating them. But all of this is done higher than the human ear can hear so it technically doesn't make a difference. The 44.1kHz sampling rate is actually a pretty cool story related to the Nyquist Theroem:




Also there are file formats out there that are exact reproductions of CD data. WAV and FLAC are both lossless for example and are exactly the same data as on the disc.

FLAC is great, I use it a lot. But it has some very little clicking noise with the peaks. I could only detect them in very good audio equipment. Anyways, it doesn´t bother, it´s way better than mp3.

[dusk]

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How do you think music gets on an "original CD" (funny term in itself)....it's recorded from a digital file. You've either got crappy versions of digital files, or your ears have dirt in them...probably not a lot of dirt, but ya know, enough to muffle your audio judgement. Q-tips?

I get that some people like the packaging, want to read liner notes, want to have a physical piece for a collection- it's not for me, but I understand that logic, but I can't even entertain the idea that "compact discs are of higher audio quality" than the files that are used to make them in the first place. lol.

Love the information mate.... especially since I was referring to the digital files that we buy from beatport or iTunes or where ever else one acquires mp3's from now a days.... that end up on our iPod's/phones or hi-fi players at home. Lower bit-rate files that almost everyone settles for including myself.

So yea..... I'll still take my CD and liner notes over digital downloads...ta

[dusk]

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Any format would do well with women if it had an endless repeat loop available so we didn't have to keep pressing a button to repeat it.

I second that!

[DIDI]

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Don't mean to get off topic... I have yet to find a single digital music file that compares in quality to an original CD.

Take a pair of my old Tannoy sixes and run an mp3/ flac through it and all you will hear is rubbish...... just saying.....plus I got my eye on a really super Krell tube amp... there is no way in hell I'd play a shitty digital file through that... digital files are fine for iPod's and such.

While I keep saying Mp3 is the worst thing that has ever happened to music there are actually great digital files. CDs are made from digital files. I recently bought a portable music player that supports these sample rates. : 16-bit, 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 176.4, 192kHz .16/24-bit, 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96kHz (TosLink) , whatever Toslink is So it supports digital files far greater than cd quality. Most unfortunately the range is very limited and for me in Australia I can't even buy those I would still love my Cds though.

For more info. FAQ | HDtracks - The World's Greatest-Sounding Music Downloads

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[DIDI]

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Also music from CD's is technically sampled from analog, thus taking parts of the original waveform and approximating them. But all of this is done higher than the human ear can hear so it technically doesn't make a difference. The 44.1kHz sampling rate is actually a pretty cool story related to the Nyquist Theroem:




Also there are file formats out there that are exact reproductions of CD data. WAV and FLAC are both lossless for example and are exactly the same data as on the disc.

Add aiff to that.

[DIDI]

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Being a female, if a song resonates with me, it's on repeat, repeat, repeat, meditated on for at least a day or so........ wish SC had a button so a song could be constantly replayed. Any format would do well with women if it had an endless repeat loop available so we didn't have to keep pressing a button to repeat it. [more a comment for the SC/mixcloud thread, I know.]

Love that clip of the Endless River !! will prob have to buy that CD!

How did that get to be a gender issue???

[DIDI]

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Love the information mate.... especially since I was referring to the digital files that we buy from beatport or iTunes or where ever else one acquires mp3's from now a days.... that end up on our iPod's/phones or hi-fi players at home. Lower bit-rate files that almost everyone settles for including myself.

So yea..... I'll still take my CD and liner notes over digital downloads...ta

So you are talking MP3 V Cd not digital files. You can actually buy dance music albums in aiff/wav, just don't do it from Beatport Juno and trackitdown are much cheaper. iPods support the higher res formats, I'm assuming other players do as well. Through headphones in particular the sound is very different to Mp3 and it is the same bitrate as cds.

[dusk]

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^^ Thanks for this Didi... will need to check out Juno and trackitdown.... I suppose I would rather buy aiff or wave albums when I can.

[res0nat0r]

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Beatport sells FLAC files I think if you pay a bit extra. They are the same as wav/aiff, so if beatport has something you want you can get high quality files there.

[DIDI]

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^^^ There is a huge difference in price ! Beatport charge extra for each track. Juno and Trackitdown charge per album. I usually get aiff because it comes with more data .

^^ Thanks for this Didi... will need to check out Juno and trackitdown.... I suppose I would rather buy aiff or wave albums when I can.

MP3 is the enemy

[KiwiTollway]

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How did that get to be a gender issue???

Not necessarily a gender issue so much as a gender characteristic? Don't know for sure, but if any woman was involved in the programming of SC or MC, pretty sure there would be an endless repeat feature/button. Since there isn't on any (imagine it's a pretty easy thing to create) probably safe to say it's more of a woman-thing? I remember the first time I saw the repost button on SC, I thought it was a repeat button and was thrilled..... wrong!!